Why a Euro Referendum now would be barmy

Vince Cable has called an EU referendum now “horribly irrelevant”

 

If there is one issue that divides more politicians and brings together coalitions of the most diverse political views it is the issue of Europe. I suspect that the only issue that could see Bill Cash and Douglas Carswell (right-wing head-bangers) and Kelvin Hopkins and John McDonnell (unrepentant hard left Socialists) it is on Europe.

Earlier this week, the Tories were debating about whether there should be a referendum about our membership of the European Community. Personally I don’t oppose a referendum on our membership of the EU, and I voted for a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, but it would be barmy having one now. 

I’m amazed that during a time of real economic uncertainty there are people who would support a referendum that, by the uncertainty it would create, would further destabilise the European Economy and threaten the UK recovery.

Not for the first time, I agree with Vince Cable when he says that a referendum now would be “horribly irrelevant”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9368394/Vince-Cable-referendum-on-EU-is-horribly-irrelevant.html

I’m totally in favour of a referendum when there are any plans for further transfer of powers from the UK to Europe, although I suspect that this isn’t going to happen anytime soon.

And for the record, I would vote to stay in the EU because it means more jobs for my constituents. An estimated 3.5m jobs in the UK depend on the EU economy.  40% of the UK’s exports are to the EU, compared to just 2% to China. Some or all of those jobs would be lost if we left the EU.

20 responses to “Why a Euro Referendum now would be barmy

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  2. John you are being very disingenuous in your post !you say 3.5m jobs in the UK depend on trade with the EU AND THAT THESE would be lost if we left the EU – THIS IS UNTRUE – Britain in Europe”, the pro-EU campaign which made this statistic up eventually folded for lack of support, and the scientist who led the research
    publicly disowned this claim. His report said that few, if any,
    jobs would be lost if we left, because trade with Europe
    would continue. The National Institute for Economic and
    Social Research supported this view. It says that 3.5 million
    jobs are linked with EU trade, but if Britain leaves, few if any
    of those jobs would disappear.
    also The Lisbon treaty also obliges the EU to negotiate Free Trade
    Agreements (FTAs) with a member-state that wishes to
    withdraw, as well as with states that are not EU members.
    on top of that the EU will soon have FTAs with 80 per cent of all non-EU countries !!! So UK trade could prosper under the sort of free
    trade agreements enjoyed by Countries like Norway,
    Switzerland and even Mexico. The USA and China, not EU
    members with zero votes in EU intuition’s sell more goods to
    the EU than the UK does, without paying a cent to Brussels
    or imposing one iota of EU regulation on their domestic
    economies.

  3. Since we buy more from the EU than we sell to them (even with the BS imports and exports to Rotterdam, where what we send there is counted in but what goes to non EU countries from there is not counted) we do not have 3.5million jobs at risk if we leave! Indeed even if they were at risk they would be employed by British Firms taking up the slack form loss of imports!

  4. Honestly it amazes me that people like you get elected.. you are elected to serve the will of the people. You may think you know better but you don’t!
    We have never been asked to be part of this EU.
    Get a grip and be a man stand up for your electorate not some random dream of perks and ministerial positions!

  5. “And for the record, I would vote to stay in the EU because it means more jobs for my constituents. An estimated 3.5m jobs in the UK depend on the EU economy. 40% of the UK’s exports are to the EU, compared to just 2% to China. Some or all of those jobs would be lost if we left the EU.” Really? I demand you give me the EU directive number that states they would break off trade with us. You also back the idea that 3.5 million jobs would be lost.
    Breakdown please of trade sectors and big companies that would be forced to cancel these jobs.
    By the way Eurocrat jobs do not count including your boss’s wife’s job!

  6. The Real economic uncertainty is why we are Borrowing the Same Level of Money each month that the EU is Costing US each Month. Thats Why our Economy is Flatlining. This Money would be Better Spent ON our People the the Economy will Grow.

  7. Sir, You are wrong. If you can provide a Cost Benefit analysis as to why we should remain a member of the EU we are all ears!…It is simply not good enough to say the time is not right. This country consented to a common market not a political, fiscal and monetary union. Successive governments have lied and betrayed the public taking us further and further into what has become one of the worst economic experiments ever attempted. The electorate have completely lost patience with our political elite who “think they know best” . Well for the record YOU DONT. We want out. Enough is enough, and do not patronise us with more lies.

  8. Amazing – words almost fail me. The old chestnut about unemployment & now is not the right time for a referendum!!! If it were left to the Lib Dems there would never be a ‘right time’. The majority of people want a referendum on Europe now. If you think the people of this country want to stay in the EU then what are you afraid of? But then again you have the hypocracy of your party wanting to reform the undemocratic House of Lords, but allowing us no say on the extremely undemocratic EU.

  9. Incredible. I am staggered. Did you get elected spouting this idiotic rubbish? We have a £35 billion trade deficit with the EU (and a surplus with the rest of world!) so you really think they’ll stop selling to us if we leave? Or stop buying from us, either?

    You Sir, are a disingenuous fool and indicative as to why we voters view politicians with contempt.

  10. THE EU is no longer the UK’s main export market, according to research published today 18/07/2012 by the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR).

    The three months to May 2012 registered a sea-change in British trade, with non-EU exports of goods exceeding those to the union by 1.5 per cent – the first time they have done so for a whole quarter since the early 1970s, according to CEBR.

    This reordering from the same three months in 2011, when EU members bought 19 per cent more UK exports than non-members, comes from a 7.3 per cent fall in exports to the EU and a 13.2 per cent rise in goods going elsewhere.

    CEBR believes these figures could in fact overstate EU countries’ importance, since indirect port transfers distort the numbers.

  11. Just yet another politician who is only interested in feathering his own nest – he must have personal financial interests in the EU, like all the others who adamantly bleat on about remaining in – otherwise, why don’t these muppets LISTEN to the vast majority of sensible, decent people, and GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW !!!

  12. I would have thought the £49 million a day we would save by a swift exit from the eu would be sufficent to pay 3.5 million to stay at home !!!
    Not that I believe that Europe would suddenly stop doing business with the uk for one moment..
    Can I suggest you have been brain washed ???
    Only sensible reason I can come up with for your belief in this hog wash

  13. John, you merely strengthen the argument as to why people like you become MP’s; because you’d be useless at anything else, not that you appear to be that good at being an MP. What a complete load of drivel you have quoted above, total lies, scare mongering and not based on any substantiated data at all. I know why you spout this rubbish; you and your sort are on the rack. Your days on the EU gravy train are coming to an end and you’re running scared. Give us our vote now!

  14. I FEEL compelled to correct MR Anonymous who proclaims that the UK people have already had their say! that is nonsense
    We did not vote on our membership in 1975, but one on a common market, a free trading bloc, something that I would be more than happy to go back too and vote for tomorrow, but this relationship is no longer existent.

    The EU has evolved by consecutive treaties and is now a political state. We did not vote for loss of sovereignty, give permission to the EU creating 75 per cent of our laws, a £48 million a day membership fee, nor to become citizens of the union in 1992.

    recent YouGov polls show a clear majority of British people would choose to leave the European Union in such a vote and in every part of the country there is a majority for leaving.

  15. Sods —– Law.
    April —- 2014.

    For almost two decades we have strived to get justice for the injustice we have suffered at the hands of a world renowned bank— PICTET & CIE. BANK.

    Two yorkshiremen both running their own small family businesses trying to resolve the problem by taking all the correct legal procedures to recover their monies.

    The matter was raised in Parliament – twice– the FSA investigated the matter concluding that PICTET had rogues operating in their London Bank — but the rogues had left —saying no one left to prosecute.??? —– so there.

    We then approached the Financial Ombudsman Service. (FOS) — our case was dealt with by seven different people —- then our numerous E-Mails were ignored — nobody would speak to us ——-so there.

    We then asked the SFO ( Serious Fraud Office.) to investigate our case —- the criteria of our case ticked all their boxes. — we were instructed not to send them any documents/evidence.—— in fact they wrote to us advising us to go to the Citizen’s Advice Bureau.(CAB.)

    Richard Alderman the SFO boss —- who responded to our letter was the same man who would not investigate the “ Madoff” scandal or the “Libor” fiasco.
    The MP’s committee —- said he was sloppy— and the SFO was run like “ Fred Karno’s Circus” —– it was an office of fraud.—– so there.

    Our M.P. approached our local Chief Constable to investigate—– he was called—- Sir Norman Bettison— Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police —- a force that made “ Dad’s Army” look like the S.A.S. They were inept – corrupt —malicious — from top to bottom. We were criminally dealt with by the Forces Solicitor—- the Head of the Economic Crime Unit —-and the Chief Constable —– so there.

    We were then advised to pass our complaint against West Yorkshire Police to the I.P.C.C. – which we did — they advised us to make our complaint to —- the West Yorkshire Police — we did with reluctance — all we got was abuse and obfuscation. —– so there.

    Sir Norman Bettison —- The Forces solicitor— and the Head of the Economic Crime —- have all been removed from their posts and facing criminal allegations.
    —— so there.

    We even sought justice through the Courts — culminating in a visit to the Court of Appeal-London.— On leaving the Courts of Appeal that day our barrister a “rising star” informed us — that if that was Justice then you can keep it. He quit the law and moved to Canada —– so there.

    A few years later we learned that one of the judges in our case at the Court of Appeal was related to a senior executive of the Pictet Bank —–so there.

    Pictet & Cie .Bank — voted private bank of the year 2013.
    Ivan Pictet —- Voted banker of the year 2012. —- the senior partner — lied on numerous occasions and had documents destroyed — also said genuine documents were forgeries. —– so there.

    Ivan Pictet in Oct. 2013 —- Given the Legion of Honour — but saying that —- honours were given to Hitler — Eichmann — Mussolini —Franco — he’s in fitting company. —-so there.

    MONTY RAPHAEL.Q.C. — Peters & Peters.London. They were the banks lawyers.
    Monty Raphael.Q.C. along with Ivan Pictet withheld crucial documents requested by the High Court —- the FSA —- and the police Fraud Squad. —-so there.

    Monty Raphael.Q.C. became an Honorary Queens Counsellor in March. 2012.
    Monty Raphael.Q.C. became a Master of the Bench in Nov.2012.
    An expert in Fraud —the Doyen of Fraud Lawyers. —– so there.

    This says a lot about Banks — the consensus of opinion is that they are highly paid “crooks” —- no wonder they voted Ivan Pictet banker of the year.

    It appears that crimes in the “establishment.” are honoured by their peers.
    “HONOURS AMONG THIEVES.”

    Full Story.—- “google or Yahoo”

    Insert.

    Ivan Pictet.Banker.
    Monty Raphael.Q.C.
    Ivan Pictet/Monty Raphael.

    Update — March. 2014.

    Pictet & Cie Bank —- List of Crimes.

    1996 —– F.S.A— Breach in London.

    2003 —– F.S.A. — States rogues operating in Pictet’s London office. Ivan Pictet states that documents were forgeries but were later proved to be genuine in the British Courts. He had documents destroyed in their London office –hoping to hide the crimes.

    2007 .- – – The Securities and Exchange Surveillance issued a recommendation that the Prime Minister and The Commissioner of the FSA to take disciplinary action against Pictet Asset Management – Japan Ltd.

    2008 .– Dec. – Pictet Bank state – ” We have never chosen any funds linked to Madoff.

    2011 – – – Madoff Trustees sue Pictet & Cie. Bank for $156 Million.

    2011- – – Pictet & Cie Bank abetted a Bribery Scheme – Oil company sues Pictet for $350Million

    2012 – – – April – Geneva Bank Pictet used in Offshore Tax Scheme. ( USA.)

    2012 — – June. — Published in Anglo INFO .Geneva.— USA Trust Fund Investors were sent false and fraudulent documents by Pictet Bank in order to collect large fees. ( Like MADOFF)
    Even after the SEC in the USA uncovered the fraud Pictet continued to charge fees and drain whatever was left in these accounts. Estimated that $90 million lost in this Pictet Ponzi scheme.

    2012 – – – July. — De – Spiegel. — states – Pictet Bank uses a letterbox company in Panama and a tax loophole involving investments in London to gain German millionaires as clients.

    2012 – – – August —- German Opposition Leader accuses Swiss Banks of “organised crime.”

    2013 — Jan.— Swiss MP’ table motion to freeze Tiab Mahmud’s assets of ” criminal origins”
    held in Swiss banks – $18 million held in 5 accounts at Pictet & Cie. Bank. Bahamas.

    Ironically the Pictet & Cie.Bank partners are bigger criminals than the criminals who have accounts in the their bank.

    The bank is now seeking to re-structure — to cut the partners liability – hoping to off load their decades of criminal responsibilty – and move onwards to carry out new crimes. The Germans are right — the bankers should go to prison if found guilty of financial crimes..

    Both Ivan Pictet and Monty Raphael.Q.C. conspired to withhold crucial documents requested by the High Court – the FSA — and the Police Fraud Squad.

    Written Parliamentary Questions received by the table office ..

    (1) To ask the secretary of state what steps he is taking to ensure that Swiss Banks such as Pictet & Cie do not evade criminal prosecution under EU law even when the illegal act is committed by a London based subsidiary.

    (2)To ask the secretary of state what steps he is taking to protect the rights of UK citizens who seek redress following criminal activities by Swiss banks with subsidiary offices located in London.

    Quote. ( America’s Top Lawyer .)
    You can be the richest man in the world with the best lawyers that money can buy but you cannot win against a man who has got nothing left to lose and is telling the truth.

    *** We note that there has been a sharp increase in Peters & Peters partners leaving to go to other practices. Moving does not alleviate them of any responsibility from any illegalities that may have occurred at Peters & Peters during their partnership tenure. From 1999 onwards.

    The consensus of opinion is the Pictet & Cie should be prosecuted , and that their U.K. banking licence should be taken away.

    Their Solicitors at Peters & Peters .London “ struck off and prosecuted..”

    *** Started campaign — June 6th.2008.
    5years —- approx 10 .5 million e-mails – – – but still no writs, injunctions or threats of litigation – – – WHY – – – because it is all true.

    *** . The bigger they are — the harder they fall.!!! In America —- they would have all been in prison for the last seven years.

    Feb 2013,— Pictet & Cie Bank Partners remove their unlimited liability.They realise that all their personal wealth is at risk , the people they have conned might want their money back.

    Full Story.***
    . ” Google ” or ” Yahoo” .

    Insert– ( Charles Pictet. Banker.
    Insert– ( Ivan Pictet.Banker.
    Insert– ( Jacques de Saussure.Banker.
    Insert– ( Nicolas Pictet. Banker.
    Insert– ( Jean-Francois Demole.Banker.
    Insert — ( Philippe Bertherat. Banker.
    Insert– ( Renaud de Planta. Banker.

    Update. March. 2014.
    Over the last three years we posted the following on hundreds of sites . —

    *** Were currently waiting for the West Yorkshire Police ;-
    (1) Chief Constable . Sir Norman Bettison
    (2) Forces Solicitor. Mike Percival.
    (3) Head of Economic Crime Unit. Det Chief Inspector. Steven Taylor.
    -to see if they continue to cover up this case like the FSA. – “ watch this space.”

    **** We can now state that all the above have been removed from their posts. All three facing criminal allegations.
    **** These three senior police officials assisted in covering up the crimes carried out by Pictet & Cie Bank and it’s lawyers.

    Swiss Bank Accounts. 2014.

    Is your monies safe in these accounts —- definitely NOT.
    Would you get your money back if every body decided to withdraw all their accounts – NO WAY.
    Economic Experts say that there would only enough money to repay 50% of their clients.
    Are you going to be in the 50% — that loose your money.– Get it out NOW.

    2012 — – June. — Published in Anglo INFO .Geneva.— USA Trust Fund Investors were sent false and fraudulent documents by Pictet Bank.Switzerland. in order to collect large fees. ( Like MADOFF) —Even after the SEC in the USA uncovered the fraud Pictet continued to charge fees and drain whatever was left in these accounts. Estimated that $90,000,000 million lost in this Pictet Ponzi scheme.

    2012 – – – July. — De – Spiegel. — states – Pictet Bank uses a letterbox company in
    Panama and a tax loophole involving investments in London to gain
    German millionaires as clients.

    2012 – – – August —- German Opposition Leader accuses Swiss Banks of “organised crime.”

    All the fines that crooked Swiss banks have incurred in the last few years exceeds £75.Billion.
    It is also calculated that the secrecy ” agreements” with regards to tax evation by their clients will cost the banks another £450 Billion.( paid out of your monies.)

    The banks are panicking — the are quickly restructuring their banks —- from partnerships —
    to ” LIMITED COMPANIES.” —– this will probably mean that in the future — they could
    pay you only 10% of your monies ” if you are one of the lucky ones” —- and it be legal.

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